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ifitbeyourwill S04E22 • SJ Riedel of Dutch Mustard
SJ Riedel from Dutch Mustard takes us on an emotional and musical journey that began at eight years old, all sparked by the iconic film "School of Rock." Her story is a testament to passion and perseverance, from diligently saving up for her first guitar to mastering classical compositions in the Netherlands. After moving to the UK, SJ's transition to rock music marked the beginning of a new chapter, where early songwriting and an unforgettable school talent show win set the stage for her burgeoning career.
In our conversation, SJ opens up about the pivotal shift from band member to solo artist. After forgoing traditional college in favor of a sound engineering apprenticeship in London, she discovered a new world of creative possibilities. The isolation of the COVID lockdown, though challenging, offered her a unique opportunity for self-reflection and musical innovation, resulting in 20 demos and a debut EP. SJ's narrative highlights how this time of solitude was a catalyst for finding her authentic voice and artistic identity.
Listeners will be inspired by SJ's resilience as she navigates the music industry, embracing authenticity and collaboration with artists like Steve Milbourne and Gang of Youths' guitarist. Her story of overcoming personal struggles and the serendipitous connections that shaped her career is truly uplifting. With upcoming live performances, recording sessions, and new music releases on the horizon, SJ embodies the power of positive energy and creative collaboration. Join us for an episode filled with heartfelt stories, exciting plans, and the unwavering passion that fuels SJ's musical journey.
Please don't touch. Then run away. Please don't touch. Never mind Again. Season four if you will podcast. Season four has been so good, such great artists, and what I've really enjoyed is reaching across our pond I call it the pond, it's an ocean, and today I have SJ from Dutch Mustard coming in from London, which is amazing. Sj, thanks for this beautiful coming and talking about you and what you do with dutch mustard, um, I must say that the tracks I've been listening to quite often, uh, getting ready for this, are just really solid songwriting. Um, so congrats on these, on these releases, um, thank you. Came out just you said two weeks ago. There's loser out there, there's a couple of EPs out there and we're going to find out what else is coming down that line. So, sj, thanks so much for hopping on here.
Dutch Mustard:Yeah, no, thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be here to have a chat with you about all things. Dutch Mustard, that's right.
colleyc:Well, and before we hop into Dutch Mustard, like, like, where did songwriting start to happen for you, Like, was this like like high school? Or did it come a bit later? It was even free, Amazing. So fill in those gaps for us, SJ, when did music really start to like become something you knew you would never escape?
Dutch Mustard:Well, I don't know if you've heard of the school of rock yes but when I was eight, I saw the school of rock and I was very much like a tomboy and I saw, uh, zach Mooneyham play that guitar and I was like I want to be Zach Mooneyham. So, yeah, when I was eight years old, I I told my mum, um like please, please, can I get guitar lessons? And my mum said to me, if you can get yourself a guitar, I will um provide the lessons. So I mean, it was tricky because mum was a single mum. So you know, then I was eight, she, she obviously meant what she said, but she didn't think, you know, she's just a little gal like she's not gonna get a guitar out of nowhere. But I did.
Dutch Mustard:I saved money, like over Christmas and like pocket money or like birthday money, and I saved like 40 euros. Because I grew up in the Netherlands until I was 10 that's where I'm originally from um, and, yeah, I like went to the first, like the only guitar shop in the town that I knew of and mom came with me and we bought a classical guitar and because we didn't know any better, well, I mean, I had to fit your budget as well, right?
Dutch Mustard:well, exactly, and yeah, 40 euros was all I had. So we got like three-quarter size classical guitar, which I still have actually, um, but yeah, started lessons from when I was eight years old and, um, soon after that came singing, like I think I joined the choir at the time like I didn't want to sing. I was like, no, I'm a guitarist, like I don't want to sing like singing is for now, that's what I used to do.
colleyc:What's going on there?
Dutch Mustard:as a young kid I really I was like, oh no, singing is not cool, you know, guitar is cool. But I think I was just advised by the music school. They, they just said, like you know she can do it and like you can be part of the program or something like that. So that's sort of how I got into singing as well. And then, um, I moved to the UK when I was 10 years old and continued guitar lessons, but do it in a very different way. It wasn't so much, it wasn't classical anymore, it was more like some guy in the village like ran a little studio and he was going to teach me how to play like rock songs. So, yeah, from then I was like great because, like I was, I didn't want to learn classical, which I I regret now I wish I continued.
colleyc:How long, just like in reference, did you take classical lessons for, like when you first got to?
Dutch Mustard:Pixar, so two years. So I was reading music when I was like eight or ten and then moved to the UK and then I was like scrap, that Like.
colleyc:I want to learn power chords Get me a distortion pedal, exactly.
Dutch Mustard:But now, at an older age or like a little bit, I'm like, oh, I wish that I could read music like that still, but it doesn't matter. Like it went the way it went and, yeah, when I was 11 I started writing my own songs, um, and I it's very young. I still have the recordings of it, like because I had an iPhone, like the first iPhone, and I think I used to record the ideas on the first iPhone, on the little voice note thing on my acoustic guitar I had an acoustic guitar and like curiosity is sparking in me here.
colleyc:What do you remember? Your first song? What is it? What inspired it like, let's get right into that detail because that's going to inform us for the rest of this conversation.
Dutch Mustard:Oh my, gosh, okay, here it goes. Well, obviously a love song and I think it was about one of my first ever boyfriends or someone that I really, really fancied and it was very cute and the lyrics were very simple. But, um, yeah, I guess like I was a little romantic from day dot and a lot of feelings, um, yep gotta get them out, you gotta get them out somehow so that was my yeah, my first song when I was 11 and I you know what.
Dutch Mustard:I sang it at the um school talent show. I was 11 years old and I won the talent show. Wow, I beat all the kids that were like 15 16 in their bands and everything you know.
colleyc:So, hey, I mean, obviously you would remember that, that that situation like where did you find that bravery at 11 to go up on stage with your own song, your own music, your own lyrics and like, want to give that to everyone, like it takes a special kind of person to be able to have to, to have that drive to do that.
Dutch Mustard:No, I think when, when you're a child and you've seen the school of rock and Jack Black is like your god, you know he's up there in a school uniform you're like I can do that too. Um, I just felt like I did a couple performances in on my at my Dutch school and at the Dutch music school, but that was more like just with the classical guitar because it was part of the like coursework to show like how far you were in in the program or whatever. But um, yeah, like once I'd written my own song. I sort of knew like I always I just wanted to keep writing songs and I guess, like joining the talent show was like the the only way at the time that I knew like that I could perform somewhere, especially when you're 11, like you can't really go to those gigs and stuff. So I was like, oh my God, this is an opportunity, like I have to do this.
Dutch Mustard:So since then I actually at school I played in every single, almost every school assembly, like once a week for five, six years, because I was music captain at school. Like I just loved it and it was a way for me to, I guess, like practice and learn how to play in front of people. So, like, I'm very grateful to my school at the time for letting me do that Like so people would be walking in and I'd be singing my own songs, you know. So I was very, very young when I got into that.
colleyc:That is so cool, like you're right too. Like that is so cool, like you're right too. Like it's really hard for an 11 year old I mean, I just, I'd argue, a teenager to practice in front of people and like kind of put yourself out there. I was talking with another artist who would do it in church. Right, they would join the church and they could sing with the choir and it was like the opportunity for them to sing. But school as well, you know, there's a lot of opportunities for, like talent shows and you know assemblies and, as you were mentioning, did you always feel like you, like you, were destined for performing?
Dutch Mustard:yeah, I mean when I was 10, I think we just moved to the UK, there was like a Disney Channel advert on the radio and I was in the car with my sister, I think mom had gone in the house to get something, and I was like should we call them? So I organized us an audition in central London and we were living in Surrey at the time and I was like mom, like we got an audition, like you know, I'm 10, like it's just what I wanted to do. But then, after we got the audition but we couldn't afford to go through with like the drama school and stuff, um, but I was like, okay, cool, like maybe I could get into acting. And I remember, like around the same time that I applied for the talent show, like I applied to be in the school play, and I didn't get it right and I was so deeply gutted that I was like, well, whatever, like that's not very punk rock anyway.
colleyc:I'm not playing any more songs to you guys. No more. No, I remember those school plays too and like, just as a teenager, any kind of rejection, you know, or like, nah, sorry, we're going to go with someone else. It's just, it is gutting, I mean it's still horrible.
Dutch Mustard:I, I still I work in film now as well. So it's quite fun because all these years I you know music is my thing, and now I was like you know what, I'm gonna try and branch out and actually managed to get uh onto wicked, like the new uh film that's coming out musical, and I sang and I had rehearsals. The little child in me was like you've got it, you know, at least you're in wicked now, you know, um, but no, I think music's just yeah, it's always since very young age been there for me, um, yeah, so I don't think that's ever gonna stop and actually talk about your process a bit.
colleyc:Um, I'm always fascinated with, with singer songwwriters how they go about penning their songs from an idea to okay, I want to put this down on tape. Do you think that your process of writing songs has changed over time? Yeah, yeah, and how? So Can you, kind of like, paint that picture?
Dutch Mustard:for us, yeah, yeah. So when I, when I was a kid, I had my guitar and I would, you know, play the chords and I would like write the lyrics and and the melody, like whilst I'm playing the guitar at the same time, and that sort of went on until I was about, uh, 17, because I, um, I didn't go to college. I didn't well, I went and I just was failing everything because I didn't want to be there. I did really well in school, like up until college, and then I just wanted to gig. So my tutors at college told me I could leave college if I had an apprenticeship lined up. So I found an apprenticeship in London and they were doing like in a studio like sound engineering. I was like, okay, cool, I'm gonna do that. So I was 17 and I had my license. So I was driving up to London twice a week to do the education side, because I missed out on the job side because it was too late in the year or whatever. But I learned how to use Logic when I was 17 and so I was used to obviously using my guitar and stuff. But through learning how to use a program like Logic, I was learning how to use like samples and like build beats and stuff like that. So I started to play around with like actually building tracks.
Dutch Mustard:And then when I turned 18, I moved to London and like I'd never released any music, um, I mean, I did. Actually, that's a lie. I released music when I was 15, but that's not out there anymore. Like that was folk pop and that was very much done in the singer-songwriter way, like, like I said, started with a guitar and singing and then I had a producer come in and he got other musicians involved. So I didn't have much to do with the rest of the creative process other than singing and playing the guitar.
Dutch Mustard:Um, but then once I was 17 18 sorry, I and learning how to build these demos, kind of thing, I found a band and we started like they started playing the like in the ideas that I had, um on their instruments and that was for a while away that we were putting music together. Like I, we were more of a four piece at the time and, um, yeah, it was kind of like everybody had to have a bit of a say in something, because they were all sort of part of the group and it was. I kind of felt like I had to be like lenient in that way because otherwise it wasn't fair. You know to be a group kind of thing. So we did used um earlier stuff like Weeping Willow, um, like the boys that I played with at the time they have credits on writing, credits on that um for the bits that they added and stuff.
Dutch Mustard:But since then I saw I realized in lockdown that it just wasn't like the music I was making wasn't cohesive or like it just wasn't the world that felt natural to me, like I kind of felt like I was trying to recreate like the Smashing Pumpkins or, uh, stone Temple Pilots or Queens of Stone Age, like it was very like hard rock and I felt like like you're because you're so excited as a teenager or nirvana, like by your favorite bands, like sometimes you just you start to copy them almost and I think I started to realize that that was not the way to go.
Dutch Mustard:So and just like the like, the way the band was um, the relationships, like it just wasn't working, it just wasn't vibing in the right way. So I decided to continue it solo and demoed every aspect like of the track. So an interpretation of depersonalization. Those five songs were chosen out of the 20 demos that I put together in lockdown. And yeah, that that was all written at home with like a little synth, like little keyboard, my bass, um the drums I would program on on the little keyboard, and then I had my guitar and a vocal mic and that was that whole first EP.
colleyc:Like you from start to finish, like like the construction, the, the writing, like did you have any other? Minimal it sounds like like not interference, like involvement in in that first yeah, so with that ep.
Dutch Mustard:So I took it to a producer at the time. Um, well, he contacted me. He wanted to work with um London-based artist and um, I showed him the demos and, yeah, he basically re-recorded um everything that I had done already. Um, he helped a little bit here and there with like maybe a couple bits in the arrangement. Um, I think, like on what the people want, there was like a guitar, an extra guitar line that he did, and he played on a lot of it as well.
colleyc:Um, but it was sort of stuff that I'd already written if that makes sense but yeah, and then yeah, the like, but everything else was I was thinking too, like kind of, as I was listening, that like do you think covid was an important happy accident in a way, because it did isolate you and kind of not force you because I know you wanted to do it but like gave you this time frame of like, okay, I have nothing else to do, I have to do this, I want to do this. Like do you think it was a bit of divine intervention in the sense that maybe that ep wouldn't have happened without the influence of COVID and kind of that isolation.
Dutch Mustard:Well, the EP would have happened, but in an entirely different way. So I was already talking to this guy called Steve Milbourne who runs a label called Bad Influence and he was an artist manager for a long time and basically, like I invited him to my show because his band was opening for me and he'd already told me that he was interested in working with me, but he wanted me to send him the tracks acoustically first, and all this kind of stuff, but definitely we were going to do an EP at some point. And then lockdown came. It just meant that I could step back and like really see every like my life and everything that was happening for what it was, but from an out, like an outside perspective, because I had the time to sit down.
Dutch Mustard:I mean, I was managing a bar at like 22, 21, you know, always working, drinking and like it wasn't a very healthy lifestyle, gigging like every week, like rehearsing all the time. It didn't leave me much time to sit down and really think about like what, like what the bigger picture was. Obviously it was always the same thing like working hard and get your music out there and like create a community, and you know that's always been the same, but it was more like the way it needed to be done, had to shift, and I think lockdown helped me step back and really think about the music and, like you know where it comes from. Why are you making music that's the big one? Like that was a big read, like that was a whole thing. Like I had a vocal injury in lockdown and that was caused from my lifestyle. It was caused from, like, past traumas, but yeah, mainly like drinking and just working in bars, singing like in clubs and venues without a proper monitoring system and basically just being young and not really understanding, um, sound life really.
colleyc:Yeah, living life like just yeah, which is amazing.
Dutch Mustard:But I also I guess I didn't. I didn't know like I thought I had to drink, I thought I had to get messed up and be like depressed or be really sad and angsty and angry at the world, to make music when I was actually fighting against myself. Because that's not who I am right, I'm a very hopeful like person. I'm a. I feel like I'm a very bright person, like I'm quite happy, very lucky, and I you know I like it in your music personally thank you.
colleyc:Yeah, but I mean joyful and like you want to be happy and exactly drink and go to a bar like it feels like that kind of like pull, you know like yeah, this is the kind of music you have fun with.
Dutch Mustard:You know but I realized, like by writing that there, like I was sober writing, writing that, you know, because I'd lived. I'd lived, like it sounds like I'm an alcoholic or something. I'm not, like I'm a year sober now but I just I ruined my voice and I had to understand what's more important to you. You know, partying or making music, like over the last like five years, like since that happened, and especially in that moment of writing that first EP, it was all about like understanding that you know, like why are you making music? Um, learning like your self-worth as an artist as well, like not only as a person like we're not gonna get onto that, that's a whole nother podcast but like as a musician. You know, you're looking up to so many other bands who are all playing all the festivals, everything, and you kind of have to realize like, well, I'm not doing it because, like, I need to be like that person, like I'm doing it because of my reasons, you know, and I realized that they were mainly like obviously, bringing people together and like sending a message about, like the things I was learning in my life, so about myself, and it's like, well, it's in yourself, it's in us, like, and that's that first cp is really about that because I actually the manager that was gonna take on this first cp didn't said he couldn't do it anymore, um, because of lockdown.
Dutch Mustard:And when he did that, I decided to make like we did a live session of all the songs before they got signed, uh, with to the publishing deals. But before they got um signed, I put them out onto YouTube. And I don't know if you've heard of a band called the gang of youths and they're like a big australian, yes, band, very cool guys, yeah they. So there, I met them through a guitar shop that I worked in on denmark street, but the guitarist started his own label in australia and he messaged me because he'd seen the live session of the unreleased stuff and he was like, have you signed it to anyone yet, because I would love to get involved. So what happened was I sent I sent his contract to the other guy and said, look, I'm about to sign to an Australian indie label, like, how do you feel about that? And then Steve was like I'll send you my contract by the end of the week and then like the universe sort of yeah, came together and they both signed it.
Dutch Mustard:They both did publishing. So I had broth records in Australia with Jochi and he did, uh, australia for that EP, and then Steve did like the rest of the world in the UK for it. But that the whole writing process of that was like sticking it to the man because I was going, well, I'm trying not to swear, but I was like, well, you don't want it, like I'm just going to do it anyway. You know and I guess that in itself attracted well, it wrote the songs right. Like I don't even know if he knows this, I'm not going to listen to this. But like you know the song that's like we are the same, uh, it's called something to you. The lyrics are like we, we are the same, um, it's all about that. And like it's what the people want of that ep, it's all about that song for dreamers, all about like well, like yeah, what the people want, it's just like, well, I'm doing it, I'm giving it what they want. Anyway, you don't want it.
colleyc:Like the people want it or like you know all that kind of stuff I mean it's amazing too that you found like that reflection that you just said, where you realized that it wasn't about others, this journey that I'm on. It has to be about me or it would never sustain, right, like it wouldn't sustain itself, and like some of that realization I think it's one of the biggest ones. I think that artists make or come to, and if they do they can carry on, but if they don't, they often tend to dissolve into whatever and then they start doing their day job.
Dutch Mustard:Because it's not authentic, right? I mean, that's the thing. It's really hard. Obviously I have influences and people can hear it in the music, but I think it's about the message. Like if the message is authentic and it means something and it's real, then that translates and that will connect to people. I mean, like in loser, I never thought I was going to sing a song that has a lyric. I'm just a loser with a broken heart, like I don't want the world to know that about me.
colleyc:But you were going, you were going through stuff, you know, like you know, and I'm like you gotta, you gotta get it out.
Dutch Mustard:We all feel like that. Yeah, like I'm not the only one like you know that's ever felt like that and I was like, if I'm like what, I'm gonna change the lyrics to try and like be cool, and I'm like, no, like this is me and I bet you people can connect to that because we are all the same. Yeah, that's like, that's the truth behind it. You just have to sort of it's difficult because you have to learn like we all have our insecurities as people, but you have to learn to like understand yourself and to understand that we just like we're the same because we're humans but also we're like we're the same because we're humans but also we're we are authentic in ourselves because we're not built in the same way. Everyone is unique, you know.
colleyc:So we all experience life in different ways, in a different way experiences and different people we meet and, um, I love your, your, your hustle, you know like it's one of the things I try to describe to my kids.
colleyc:You know, like, when they're kind of like, you know, floundering, you know I'm like the art of the hustle is like it's something that you have to work on and do. But I feel this, this idea from talking with you just this short amount of time that you've you've you've caught on to it, and like you don't let anybody else tell you what you can and can't do and nothing is is limited. Like you really have this world open to you and and you'll do what you want to do and you'll find ways to do it and you'll find the people that will help you, enable you to you know, and it's, it's a skill that's, um, we don't see in our younger people as much, and I'm talking like teenagers now, and maybe it's the pandemic, maybe it's screen time, maybe who knows, but I mean idea of of going in and and being the master of your own destiny.
colleyc:Um, yeah it, it's not always present and I just you're just like blaring it, which I love.
Dutch Mustard:I think thank you so much, like I'm really happy that you've said that. I guess I don't really like think about it because it's my day to day. I'm so used to living my life this way and I mean I work like four jobs to be able to release music, you know, and I think I've grown up knowing like no one's's no one's going to just hand it to you, like my parents are always very good at being like well, work hard and you'll achieve good things. But also like I had some horrible situations that we're not going to get into too much, because they do happen too much to young artists. But I would feel silenced for a long time from like my teens, you know, until I was about 21, which was a big part of causing that vocal injury, and I think I don't wish that upon anybody. But I think through, like I had to learn how to speak from scratch, like I couldn't talk anymore when I was 22, 23, so I had a year of speech therapy and singing lessons and life coaching to be able to speak my truth, and so that's when that first EP happened and that's sort of like what I live my life to now.
Dutch Mustard:It's kind of like, well, no, your voice, like it's all about your truth, your inner, like your judgment, your core beliefs. You have to go with it. Like you can always take on people's advice. You can always ask people for help. You can always um, yeah, seek advice. I think that's perfect.
Dutch Mustard:I'm not saying like you know, I know everything, but what we do know about ourselves is our own intuition, and no one, like no one, is going to tell you what to do, like you, like it's up to you and you don't ever have to do anything you don't want to do. And I think that I'm in a position now, musically, where, like my manager, who I was working with for the last three years, he was really, really great and like helped me through a lot and like building my confidence, like as a producer even, and just what I could do as a musician, and you know like he was very, very helpful with that. But like it's taken a lot of work, and like inner work, to be able to listen to my own voice. You know so, like, I think, the younger generation, it's like, yeah, it's difficult because it's who you're surrounded by too as well.
Dutch Mustard:You know like you're surrounded by, too as well. You know like you're influenced by everything around you, and if you're constantly on your phone or influenced by things that aren't real, I suppose it's really hard to learn.
colleyc:Yeah, you don't give much of yourself up in those opportunities, either right like yeah, it's an easy way to kind of like sift through life, like where you don't give much.
Dutch Mustard:I mean I had a job, opening your heart up and saying here.
Dutch Mustard:It is, here's who I am, and yeah, it's difficult, but, yeah, like, I guess like working, working for your money is it's a good way to start as a child, like doing the paper rounds, like my brother did paper round. I was a babysitter when I was 12 and we both worked cafes and, like always on the hustle, because that money meant that we could I could buy like new guitar strings or like you know what, like whatever. It meant that you could like, yeah, like build upon the things you want. So I think I mean that that was maybe really helpful growing up. But yeah, I do I think so.
colleyc:I think that it's. We see it again. Like I said before in your music. I want to go back and listen to that EP now too.
Dutch Mustard:Yeah, now that you have a different understanding, yeah, the big lessons, yeah, yeah.
colleyc:So SJ, kind of just to bring things to a close Again. This has been really fascinating and your music is really really good. The spirit and the soul behind it, the lyrics, it's hard to classify. I mean there's some dream in it, there's shoegaze, there's alt rock. It's just it's you, you know, which is amazing. What do you see happening down the road? Where does your next mission or your next project leading you into 2024?
Dutch Mustard:through 2025?
Dutch Mustard:there's some really cool things happening. So I did a live session recently with propeller music and that was through um, the FAC, which is the featured artist coalition. They help artists like with opportunities like funding or um live sessions, like any like events and networking events. And, um, yeah, the two gentlemen that like work on that put me in touch with propeller music so we did four songs with them and they're going to be on youtube, um, so I think we'd feel everything luther um, thank you, and beauty, um, so that's coming out, I actually think, in like a week or something like quite soon in november, yeah, and then after that I'm going to New York, bring in the band and we're playing New Colossus Festival, um, so I have a lot of a lot of work to do to save the money, but we're gonna do it and, depending on how much funding I can get together for it, we might try and get some other shows like outside of New York, um, but, yeah, the New Colossus Festival is happening. That's in March, and then we've also been booked at um I think it's called leicester val sound recordings to record some vinyl, wow, um, and that they're the studio in new york and they, yeah work with artists to put together some vinyl, so of like a live session. So it'll be completely live. It'll be like super authentic and like the only session. So it'll be completely live. It'll be like super authentic and like the only version you'll ever get from it. It won't be digital. Um, yeah, we're gonna do that.
Dutch Mustard:I think four songs as well. Uh, maybe more. Actually, he said I could do however many we want. So we'll see, like like how many we can get down. And then we've got we've got Icebreaker Festival in South sea in england in february and I am in talks with my team about um, trying to get a new single out in, maybe like spring or june. Like it all depends because, like I, I release under my own, like label now. So it depends, like how much money I can get together from all my jobs. But, uh, if I can get it all together, then, um, yeah, I'm hoping to release a new song which I've been playing live already. So that's a little hint to the people that I've seen as live, because they would have gone.
Dutch Mustard:What's that song? There's one that I would have spoken about and it hasn't come out yet. It's very energetic. It goes back to my um, what the people want, kind of first EP roots I think Iggy Pop might like that one and then, yeah, like we're just trying to get, oh and hopefully do, a headline show like alongside that release. And if any more festivals come up, then of course, like we would love to like keep up with shows and I'm planning to start putting together an album. So that's towards the end of next year. I think, like having an idea of like what that's going to look like and either having it like organized for recording or maybe already recorded by the end of next year, I think that would be like a pretty good timeline to go with, um, but yeah, so lots and lots of exciting things happening, but you know, dave's tech told thank you.
Dutch Mustard:Dave's tech told me on the phone this year. He was like are you tired? It's like you know I'm tired. He was like yeah, that's never gonna change and I was like okay good to know.
colleyc:Find those naps, find the naps when?
Dutch Mustard:yeah, exactly, exactly I was like noted.
colleyc:At least I know I'm doing something right I'm really happy to know you're going to new york too, because it is such a a great space for meeting and collaborating and and the music scene is just amazing. So I'm sure you're gonna meet amazing people there. And who knows what happens out of a great space for meeting and collaborating and and the music scene is just amazing, so I'm sure you're going to meet amazing people there, and who knows what happens out of that?
Dutch Mustard:You know, it's just like I've never been there, That'll be a door opened and never close it. Yeah absolutely, I'm so excited.
colleyc:Good for you. Good for you. Well, this has been really fun Talking with you. Dutch mustard SJ amazing energy you have. Your music carries that energy. This has been such a great time and I hope, when the LP comes out eventually, you come back and we'll talk about it Really, absolutely.
Dutch Mustard:Just stay in touch. Thank you so much for having me. It was great, please, away. Please don't touch me again. Again, thank you for giving my heart back. Thank you for giving my heart back, and they've all just touched and then gone.
colleyc:Maybe I'll just touch and then go on Leaving nothing. Don't touch If you feel like it's all I feel. Thank you For giving my heart back and heart back. Thank you For giving my heart back and heart back. You've shown me shame, what makes me heart, what makes me heart Heart attack To. Thank you For giving my heart Heart attack, heart attack. Don't touch If you feel. Don't touch if you fear me. Thank you for giving my heart back. Thank you Just giving my all. Yeah,
